This is well written. Making a martyr is certainly a right wingnut extremist move, a headline chapter in the how-to Dictator’s Manual. I hope people realize the military sharpshooter angle of this criminal act, which you highlight so well. I can probably speak for many of us when I say I’ve never shot a gun at a living thing (i missed a couple cans with my boyfriend’s borrowed .22 rifle when I was in my early 20s - so actually, I *hope* I didn’t shoot a living thing!). Anyway, I couldn’t hit the side of a barn, like many of us. That aside, the likelihood that it WAS “one of us” is pretty low. And as you say, Charles, mental illness is involved. But until we know more, I have to stop myself from creating reasons for this tragedy. It may come out to have been something wholly different from my scope of possibilities. I just pray that we learn the *real* reason, and not some warped, self-serving lie (aka trumpism) spewed like acid to the mainstream press and screeched like nails on a chalkboard out of truthsocial.
I've never even hit anyone, and I'm a guy. I've wanted to a few times, but never come to blows with anyone. Much less shot a gun. I don't intend to learn, either. If our society devolves into that level of violence, I'll just stand in front of the volley of bullets and take it like a real man. I'm a stroke survivor. I am not afraid.
I’ll stand with you. I’d rather die than not be able to live with myself, or have to live in a society where there is no compassion left, only violence, self-righteous justification and anger.
Thank you for this: "Some asshole turned Charlie Kirk into a martyr." 👏👏👏
The conspiracy theorist in me says this is a planned distraction from the Epstein files.
I think Charlie Kirk was a POS... but he had the right to speak his mind without getting shot. See how kind and sympathetic the left is behaving....as they should be. But I guaran-damn-tee you Charlie Kirk would not reciprocate in the same manner should the table be turned.
Look again. I see nothing but snark and celebration from the good people. Lots of "thoughts and prayers", like that is funny. Go to Tiedrich's notes and weep. I did.
Your point about who is likeliest to be an expert sniper is interesting. Haven’t we just been told that it is ok to ignore the 4th Amendment for Latinos in LA because immigrants are likely to be Latinos? So while I really want to build a theory based on “who snipers usually are" I also feel a real need to resist. They have a suspect. How they lit on him will be interesting to see. Because I can see this regime turning this INTO a Reichstadt Fire no matter who the guy is, even if a right wing gun nut. We all have to look at the actual evidence of what he believes and his motives really closely. What scares me is that the FBI will horn in, and while I trust thr Utah cops, can't say the same for the FBI.
I say "guy" btw because I really think if the suspect is female we'd already have heard. Though Kirk's recent "kinder kuche kirche"
moment probably irked many women as much as it did me, those really aren't shooting sentiments.
Meanwhile you are 100% right that the devastation this brings on his family is inexcusable.
Yep. They've probably lost a lot of good field agents because they're trying to Trumpify the FBI.
And this guy was a pro. Shot Kirk right in his carotid artery if I'm reading the description of what happened correctly. That's sharpshooter-level stuff. If they haven't found him by now he's probably gone.
I think it was a hit job. And I highly doubt it was paid for by liberals. I think this was meant to be a spark to incite an ideological war. Then the fascists would declare all out martial law and any further democratic elections will be cancelled.
Anyone who reads history has seen this playbook in action before. Trump has already begun placing federal law enforcement in cities against the will of the populace. It's only a step further to lock down the entire country.
I picked a bad day to multitask... Nothing will surprise me. They haven't found the guy yet, which probably means he's a pro, which probably means he's long gone.
If he's a pro, well, that's not how our side operates. We aren't the ones with the stormtroopers. My suspicion grows with each hour.
I mentioned earlier that it’s time for us to learn how to defend ourselves against the rightwing lunatics because they’d love nothing more than to wipe us off the planet and this making of a martyr would be a prime excuse for them - they don’t even care who perpetrated this monstrous act against one of their own. They just want an excuse for open warfare against people who don’t espouse the same horrible ethos as they. They’ve shown themselves to be maniacs sans conscience.
Trump is so stupidly reckless that I wait for him to do something so egregious that he gets removed. Like this being his false flag where he hired an assassin to divert from Epstein. It's getting to what seems now to be endgame signs -- swollen ankles, hand make-up, poop in pants, falling asleep, Epstein...or that long Charlie Kirk remembrance with no ums and ahs turning out to be AI.
You have to wonder. The shooter has to be someone with sniper training to have made that shot. I certainly don’t condone that it happened and you’re correct: if I didn’t know who Kirk was, my sympathy would be heartfelt. Unfortunately I did, and his horrifying remarks on some having to die to keep the guns flowing pretty much nixes that.
When I first heard that he had been shot, I thought it was something like the shot trump took on the edge of the ear and did not bother looking into what had happened nor did I pray for him. However, when a friend texted he was shot in the neck I did say a quick prayer. Within minutes I found out that he had died. I am sorry that he will not see his children grow up and that he will not grow old with his wife.
He did a lot of damage to this country by turning so many young people to trump. He was going places in the MAGA Party.
But still, he was young enough to be my grandson. I am very sorry that such a young man had to die.
This is well written. Making a martyr is certainly a right wingnut extremist move, a headline chapter in the how-to Dictator’s Manual. I hope people realize the military sharpshooter angle of this criminal act, which you highlight so well. I can probably speak for many of us when I say I’ve never shot a gun at a living thing (i missed a couple cans with my boyfriend’s borrowed .22 rifle when I was in my early 20s - so actually, I *hope* I didn’t shoot a living thing!). Anyway, I couldn’t hit the side of a barn, like many of us. That aside, the likelihood that it WAS “one of us” is pretty low. And as you say, Charles, mental illness is involved. But until we know more, I have to stop myself from creating reasons for this tragedy. It may come out to have been something wholly different from my scope of possibilities. I just pray that we learn the *real* reason, and not some warped, self-serving lie (aka trumpism) spewed like acid to the mainstream press and screeched like nails on a chalkboard out of truthsocial.
I've never even hit anyone, and I'm a guy. I've wanted to a few times, but never come to blows with anyone. Much less shot a gun. I don't intend to learn, either. If our society devolves into that level of violence, I'll just stand in front of the volley of bullets and take it like a real man. I'm a stroke survivor. I am not afraid.
I’ll stand with you. I’d rather die than not be able to live with myself, or have to live in a society where there is no compassion left, only violence, self-righteous justification and anger.
Thanks. I understand the anger. But that's the place they want to take me. It's their comfort zone, not mine.
I’d be interested in following the money on this one
Me, too, GreyWitch.
Me three.
Thank you for this: "Some asshole turned Charlie Kirk into a martyr." 👏👏👏
The conspiracy theorist in me says this is a planned distraction from the Epstein files.
I think Charlie Kirk was a POS... but he had the right to speak his mind without getting shot. See how kind and sympathetic the left is behaving....as they should be. But I guaran-damn-tee you Charlie Kirk would not reciprocate in the same manner should the table be turned.
Look again. I see nothing but snark and celebration from the good people. Lots of "thoughts and prayers", like that is funny. Go to Tiedrich's notes and weep. I did.
Your point about who is likeliest to be an expert sniper is interesting. Haven’t we just been told that it is ok to ignore the 4th Amendment for Latinos in LA because immigrants are likely to be Latinos? So while I really want to build a theory based on “who snipers usually are" I also feel a real need to resist. They have a suspect. How they lit on him will be interesting to see. Because I can see this regime turning this INTO a Reichstadt Fire no matter who the guy is, even if a right wing gun nut. We all have to look at the actual evidence of what he believes and his motives really closely. What scares me is that the FBI will horn in, and while I trust thr Utah cops, can't say the same for the FBI.
I say "guy" btw because I really think if the suspect is female we'd already have heard. Though Kirk's recent "kinder kuche kirche"
moment probably irked many women as much as it did me, those really aren't shooting sentiments.
Meanwhile you are 100% right that the devastation this brings on his family is inexcusable.
It's rarely a woman. They let the guy they took in for questioning go. Patel says they're still looking for the sharpshooter.
they let both go? They had announced one, then walked it back,Then they announced another. Let him go, too?
Yep. They've probably lost a lot of good field agents because they're trying to Trumpify the FBI.
And this guy was a pro. Shot Kirk right in his carotid artery if I'm reading the description of what happened correctly. That's sharpshooter-level stuff. If they haven't found him by now he's probably gone.
The reasoning behind this violence was certainly twisted. How twisted is something we may never know, and that may say much.
I think it was a hit job. And I highly doubt it was paid for by liberals. I think this was meant to be a spark to incite an ideological war. Then the fascists would declare all out martial law and any further democratic elections will be cancelled.
Anyone who reads history has seen this playbook in action before. Trump has already begun placing federal law enforcement in cities against the will of the populace. It's only a step further to lock down the entire country.
I picked a bad day to multitask... Nothing will surprise me. They haven't found the guy yet, which probably means he's a pro, which probably means he's long gone.
If he's a pro, well, that's not how our side operates. We aren't the ones with the stormtroopers. My suspicion grows with each hour.
Very well put.
Hang on Baby Jesus, it's gon' get bumpy
I mentioned earlier that it’s time for us to learn how to defend ourselves against the rightwing lunatics because they’d love nothing more than to wipe us off the planet and this making of a martyr would be a prime excuse for them - they don’t even care who perpetrated this monstrous act against one of their own. They just want an excuse for open warfare against people who don’t espouse the same horrible ethos as they. They’ve shown themselves to be maniacs sans conscience.
no.
i’m old enough to remember when he said “your body, MY CHOICE”.
i don’t condone violence but i’m not going to mourn a predatory, fascistic monster.
i’m not going to pretend to be sad about a hypothetical life HE WAS NEVER GOING TO LIVE.
I won't say I mourn him by any means. But violence is their wheelhouse, not mine.
I think it was Nick Fuentes who originally said "Your body, MY choice." Even so, it's a common mentality amongst these Troglodytae lunatics.
Agreed.
I agree with you.
I thought the exact same thing myself. I even expressed this to some people. Interesting. Great minds think alike.
Trump is so stupidly reckless that I wait for him to do something so egregious that he gets removed. Like this being his false flag where he hired an assassin to divert from Epstein. It's getting to what seems now to be endgame signs -- swollen ankles, hand make-up, poop in pants, falling asleep, Epstein...or that long Charlie Kirk remembrance with no ums and ahs turning out to be AI.
You have to wonder. The shooter has to be someone with sniper training to have made that shot. I certainly don’t condone that it happened and you’re correct: if I didn’t know who Kirk was, my sympathy would be heartfelt. Unfortunately I did, and his horrifying remarks on some having to die to keep the guns flowing pretty much nixes that.
The comments about some having to die was weird and strangely prophetic.
When I first heard that he had been shot, I thought it was something like the shot trump took on the edge of the ear and did not bother looking into what had happened nor did I pray for him. However, when a friend texted he was shot in the neck I did say a quick prayer. Within minutes I found out that he had died. I am sorry that he will not see his children grow up and that he will not grow old with his wife.
He did a lot of damage to this country by turning so many young people to trump. He was going places in the MAGA Party.
But still, he was young enough to be my grandson. I am very sorry that such a young man had to die.